RFK Jr. on the Border, the Media, the Election, and Fascist Scalia

In our third installment of RFK Jr.’s most recent “Unearthed” column, we get Kennedy’s thoughts on everything from the U.S./Mexico border fence to anticipated problems with the 2008 election to staff cuts in major media newsrooms to Justice Antonin Scalia’s fascist past…

UNEARTHED: NEWS OF THE WEEK THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA FORGOT TO REPORT

By Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Brendan DeMelle

The Huffington Post

More Corporate Contracts, More Incompetence

The government is scrapping a $20 million prototype of its highly touted “virtual fence” on the Arizona-Mexico border because the system doesn’t work. The move comes just two months after Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff announced his approval of the fence built by the Pentagon military contractor, Boeing, which was awarded an $860 million contract to provide the technology, physical fences and vehicle barriers. The highly acclaimed project, a series of towers, equipped with high tech cameras and communication systems was supposed to transmit pictures of illegal aliens crossing the border in time for border agents to detain them. Unfortunately the contraption didn’t work. But no worries, Boeing will get to keep the money while it comes up with some new ideas.

2008 election likely to go unsupervised

Congressional gridlock over controversial FEC nominees has paralyzed the Federal Elections Commission (FEC), which currently lacks the quorum it to effectively referee elections. A seven-month deadlock over the appointment of four FEC nominees may spell disaster for the 2008 election cycle. If Congress fails to staff the FEC in time, the 2008 elections could go virtually unregulated for the first time since the FEC was founded more than 30 years ago.

Currently, the FEC is unable to pursue investigations into alleged electoral violations, including a recent challenge lodged by right-leaning legal group Judicial Watch which filed a new FEC complaint against John McCain alleging that a London fundraiser may have involved illegal in-kind contributions from foreign nationals. A growing list of complaints that will go uninvestigated by the broken FEC.

At the heart of the Senate impasse is one of the two Republican nominees, an extreme right wing former Justice Department lawyer and Karl Rove lapdog named Hans von Spakovsky. The Democrats consider him a deal breaker and view him as one of the leading forces in the Republican Party’s efforts to use the nonexistent fear of voter fraud as a means to disenfranchise minority–and largely Democratic–voters. The Democrats have been unwilling to vote for a group of nominees that includes von Spakovsky–and the Republicans have refused to withdraw his nomination.

Supreme Court helps to curtail Democrats from voting

States can require voters to produce photo identification, the Supreme Court ruled in a split decision along party lines on April 28th, upholding a Republican-inspired law intended to disenfranchise poor, elderly, urban and minority voters. The court’s 6-3 decision rejecting a challenge to Indiana’s strict voter ID law means the ID requirement will be in effect for this week’s presidential primary in Indiana. The ruling is also expected to encourage Republican controlled state governments to adopt similar measures. As part of Karl Rove’s master strategy to disenfranchise democratic voters, Republicans have already passed statutes in twenty-five states requiring a photo ID to cast a ballot in person.

Justice Stevens said that Indiana’s desire to prevent fraud and to inspire voter confidence in the election system are important even though Indiana has never experienced a single report or incidence of the kind of fraud the law was designed to combat, i.e. someone imitating another voter in order to vote twice. The Indiana rule is designed to severely inconvenience voters, those who don’t possess driver’s licenses who tend to be elderly, poor, young, and inner city residents who tend to vote Democrat.

Ken Falk, legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Indiana, said the court was willing to burden “tens of thousands of eligible voters who lack a government-issued identification while accepting at face value Indiana’s unsubstantiated claim of voter fraud.” The ACLU brought the case on behalf of Indiana voters.

Rush lies again

Rush Limbaugh applauded the Supreme Court voter I.D. ruling, telling his audience that it represents “a huge, huge, huge move forward to undercut Democrat efforts to commit voter fraud this fall.”

“Anti-voter fraud efforts this fall will be easier,” Limbaugh assured his audience, adding that “the Democrats shut down the FEC, largely to get away with more voter fraud.”

Both the Department of Justice and the U.S. Election Assistance Commission (EAC), say voter fraud is virtually non-existent. A recent Department of Justice review found “virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews,” which turned up only 86 convictions on voter fraud charges.

Voter ID laws “disenfranchise the poor, members of minority groups and the elderly, who are less likely to have photo IDs and are more likely to be Democrats.”

MEDIA

Senate Committee Votes to Throw Out FCC Rules

On April 24, the Senate Commerce Committee unanimously approved the “resolution of disapproval” that would veto the Federal Communications Commission’s latest attempt to dismantle longstanding media ownership limits.

It’s the first step toward an official congressional “veto” of the Federal Communications Commission’s new rules that gut media ownership limits.

This vote couldn’t have come at a more important moment. Just this week, Rupert Murdoch announced plans to buy his third New York newspaper — Newsday. (Murdoch already owns the New York Post, the Wall Street Journal and two television stations in this one media market!)

Huge newspaper conglomerates like Murdoch’s News Corp. and Tribune Co. are spending heavily to convince Congress that the FCC rules don’t go far enough. They want to swallow up even more local media.

The New York Times braces for further staff cuts

The New York Times’ news room is bracing for a bloodbath in the next 10 days including cuts of 100 writers made necessary by the dismal newspaper advertising sales. Approximately 50 unionized journalists and 20 non-union editorial employees have accepted a buyout proposal. But with just 70 people stepping forward for buyouts, the ax must fall on as many as 30 editorial people in the company’s first-ever mass firing of journalists in its 156-year history.

Right-Wing Jurists

Scalia Defends Bush v. Gore At Oxford Union

In a clip broadcast last week on 60 Minutes, an Oxford Union student posed Justice Antonin Scalia the following questions:

“Supposing yourself as a Supreme Court justice were granted the power to appoint the next president of the United States. Who would you pick and why? And would he or she be better than your last choice?” a student asked Scalia.

“You wanna talk about Bush versus Gore. I perceive that,” he replied. “I and my court owe no apology whatever for Bush versus Gore. We did the right thing. So there!”
Scalia Defends Bush v. Gore On 60 Minutes

Leslie Stahl, “People say that that decision was not based on judicial philosophy but on politics,”

Scalia: “I say nonsense,” Scalia says.

Stahl: Was it political?

Scalia: “Gee, I really don’t wanna get into – I mean this is – get over it. It’s so old by now. The principal issue in the case, whether the scheme that the Florida Supreme Court had put together violated the federal Constitution, that wasn’t even close. The vote was seven to two,” Scalia says.

Stahl didn’t challenge this claim. The actual vote was 5-4 on party lines.

Scalia Blames Gore For Bush v. Gore

Scalia also told 60 Minutes that the Bush v. Gore decision was not the court’s fault. It was Al Gore’s.

Scalia: “It was Al Gore who made it a judicial question. It was he who brought it into the Florida courts. We didn’t go looking for trouble. It was he who said, ‘I want this to be decided by the courts.’ What are we supposed to say? ‘Oh, not important enough.'”

Stahl: “It ended up being a political decision”

Scalia: “Well you say that. I don’t say that.”

Stahl: “You don’t think it handed the election to George Bush?”

Scalia: “Well how does that make it a political decision?”

Stahl: “It decided the election.”

Scalia: “If that’s all you mean by it, yes.”

Stahl: “That’s all I mean by it.”

Scalia: “Oh, ok. I suppose it did. Although you should add to that that it would have come out the same way, no matter what.”

Stahl failed to challenge Scalia on this bold misstatement of fact. The media pool, led by the New York Times that? finally counted all the Florida votes found that Gore had decisively won the election.

Scalia Defends Torture Being Not Cruel And Unusual Punishment And Therefore Not Unconstitutional

Scalia: “I don’t like torture. Although defining it is going to be a nice trick. But who’s in favor of it? Nobody. And we have a law against torture. But if the – everything that is hateful and odious is not covered by some provision of the Constitution.”

Stahl: “If someone’s in custody, as in Abu Ghraib, and they are brutalized by a law enforcement person, if you listen to the expression ‘cruel and unusual punishment,’ doesn’t that apply?”

Scalia: “No, No,”

Stahl: “Cruel and unusual punishment?”

Scalia: “To the contrary, has anybody ever referred to torture as punishment? I don’t think so.”

Stahl: “Well, I think if you are in custody, and you have a policeman who’s taken you into custody….”

Scalia: “And you say he’s punishing you?”

Stahl: “Sure.”

Scalia: “What’s he punishing you for? You punish somebody…”

Stahl: “Well because he assumes you, one, either committed a crime…or that you know something that he wants to know.”

Scalia: “It’s the latter. And when he’s hurting you in order to get information from you…you don’t say he’s punishing you. What’s he punishing you for? He’s trying to extract…”

Stahl: Because he thinks you are a terrorist and he’s going to beat the you-know-what out of you…”

Scalia: “Anyway, that’s my view. And it happens to be correct.”

While 60 Minutes included extensive biographical information on Justice Scalia and his family, they identify his father as “a professor of romance languages at Brooklyn College” and failed to disclose that he was a member of the American-Italian Fascist Party during Mussolini’s regime in the 1930s.

This backdrop may reveal something about Justice Scalia’s apparent comfort with enlarging corporate and government power, including the use of torture – so long as it’s not punishment.

According to Alan Dershowitz who knew Scalia’s father at Brooklyn College, Scalia got his doctorate at Casa Italiano at Columbia at a time when in order to get your doctorate you had to swear an oath to Mussolini.

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19 responses to “RFK Jr. on the Border, the Media, the Election, and Fascist Scalia

  1. Rodney S.

    Man, oh man…

    Scalia on the 2000 election:

    “GET OVER IT!”

    His words, not mine.

    What else would you expect from a Fascist?

  2. Jack Mosel

    Too bad they didn’t ask Scalia where OSAMA was!

    What his views about his descision to put a man in out highest office (selling out our beloved country) in it’s time of our being most vulnerable or creating the scenarios that place us as being most vulnerable.

    What he thinks about an act of war committed by us, based on admittedly false and fabricated circumstances.

    What he thinks about the Vice President outting a covert CIA operative, deep undercover in a time of war, to settle some petty personal score.

    What he thinks about the greatest nation and superpower in the world, committing acts of treason and fabrication of false flag attacks on its’ own people, within the acts committed on 9/11/2001, that he will be on record as being the Chief Justice presiding in the very dismantling of the U.S. Constitution, as a direct result thereof. In favorable conclusion of the acknowlegement of this complicity, are actually hundreds of cities and local town governments in the U.S. who felt it more partiotic to render public law in their own right to officiate these findings and offer them as public record, doing there patriotic duty to signal OUR Generals and any RED BLOODED AMERICAN SENATOR WHO IS LEFT, TO INVESTIGATE AND IMPEACH…

    What are his thoughts about upholding monolpoly powers in the media?

    What his thoughts are on “Put Options” on 9/11/2001.

    What his thoughts are on Presidential “War Powers Act”, “The Patriot Act” giving unilateral, exclusive dictoral powers to this man he “Put in office”.

    I was wondering… If we can’t impeach a president… Can we impeach a Chief Justice? and if so, would that be a way to find out the truth to what is really going on ?

    I feel poorly hearing that the NYT is having a rough go of things as of late, with low adverstising sales not being able to support salaries of reporters… One thought would be that maybe, we can get BETTER and MORE TRUTHFUL AND INVESTIGATIVE reporting from a more dominant news source and that news source would be invigorated with an introduction of new talent as a result… The Blogosphere could emerge as the next “REAL SOURCE” for true investigative reporting… Murdoch and the like can spend all they want on their physical propoganda machines… The Blogosphere is the new frontier. The real news and unearthing of everything FASCIST is revealed here anyway…

    There is even a pretty good 1.5 hour video which gives chronological and evidentiary supposition, that The Bush family is directly tied into War profits of Adolf Hitler, The Assination of JFK, the fabrication of Gulf War I, and the complicity of actually fomenting if not more directly, causing and or planning & carrying out the events of 9/11/2001. Pretty serious accusations right? Well the supposition is here in the blogosphere. If there is some, or any truth to some or all of this, shouldn’t there be some mechanism of oversight and real investigation? I mean it would mean a little more than The House of Representatives assembling to investigate a FRIGGIN BASEBALL PLAYER FOR USING STEROIDS!!!! WTF?!

    Doesn’t our nation mean anything to anyone anymore? If 10% of the littany of suppositions are based in fact… 10%… There needs to be a shutdown and a massive oversight committe assembled with the utmost of public awareness and the best and most talented of media to cover the story… If nothing but for our very history’s sake for our future’s U.S. Citizenry.

    I ask one question… AFTER THESE: 3 Trillion dollars, 3000 dead on 9/11/2001, 4000 (U.S.) dead in Iraq, NO WMD’s, our U.S. Constitution has been terrorized and rendered useless, 20 million illegal aliens running around undocumented and fully entitled to all benefits as U.S. Citizens, Enron like scandals abound, Bailing out huge Wallstreet Investment Firms with Federal funds, 4,500 PUT CALLS ON 9/11/2001, Flying out Bin Laden family and friends from American soil on and immediately following 9/11/2001, Anthrax scares forcing Patriot Bill to be signed by Presidential order from U.S. Senators who have not and could not even read it, Building 7 (WTC) fell at free fall speed and wasn’t even hit by a plane (50 floors), Pentagon had a 15 foot diameter hole in outside wall with no wing marks (at all), Trans-American Highway’s mention by the media is squelched, yet publicly available plans are discussed by Bush and Cheney and remarked upon by Presidential candidates in 2008 and they are rebuffed as nonesense!!!

    My one question, and I’ll shut up…

    WHERE’S OSAMA? IS HE OFF THE TABLE NOW?

    WAS HE EVER REALLY ON IT?

    Let’s Roll

    Where’s OSAMA?

  3. Christopher

    Wait a minute. i’m confused here. didn’t we spend four years and thousands of American lives fighting the Nazis and fascists during WWII?

    My grandfather and granduncle both fought in that war. They’d be rotating in their graves if they saw what was happening today.

    Weren’t we all raised to believe that fascism is bad?

    Then WHY, WHY, WHY aren’t we concerned when the facts reveal this is a fascist administration?

    Bush’s grandpappy was a Nazi, Scalia’s daddy was a Mussolini fascist…there’s more. Look it up sometime.

    And we’re not upset about this? Fascism has taken over the United States! Wake up, people!!!!

  4. Jack Mosel

    I PLEDGE ALLIGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISABLE… FOR LIBERTY AND JUSTICE… FOR ALL

    Why is GOD not involved anymore on the new Dollar coin?

    “A recent poll conducted by Newsweek magazine showed that nearly 90% of Americans believed that the words “under God” should be included in the Pledge of Allegiance. The Pledge of Allegiance is recited daily by children of all religions in schools all across America. Although many citizens have no problem with the recitation of the pledge, some citizens do, as they find it unjust, specifically for disobeying the First Amendment. Lawsuit after lawsuit, the Supreme Court has affirmed that students should be required to recite the pledge because it was just that: a pledge, not an oath. It was not until recently, that the phrase “under G-d” in the Pledge of Allegiance was accused of violating the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution. Mears (2004) explained that after a three year fiasco in the courts, a federal judge in Sacramento ruled that it was unconstitutional to require public school children to recite the words “under G-d” in the Pledge.

    (Taken 5/12/1008, Internet http://www-personal.umich.edu/~kelsbels/pledge/schools.html)

    What’s wrong with GOD being part of this administrations’ game plan? It doesn’t and never mentioned GOD as a particular faith or of one particular denomination… GOD has always been with us through our greatest and worst times as a country and a unified nation. Our unique freedom to practice any or no faith was always our option. Our freedom was fought for in the beliefs that this option was to be made as a personal choice and an expression of being a full and truly free human being.

    What happened… One Nation, indivisable.. We are divided. “A house divided will fall” This is our terrible truth. GOD has been a silent casualty of our fascist takeover, in this administration.

    Yet another high point of the Bush Administration’s lengthy list of achievements to circumvent everything that was once good about our beautiful land, is the removal of GOD from our midst… sad. I miss HIM.

    I have G-D personal to me, in my life. He gives my strength to believe that His will, is for me to put my shoulder to the wheel, in whatever I can do to help steer this ship back on course.

    Truck with anything you feel you can get away with George Bush’s administration… But don’t for a minute pretend to tell us after all this carnage, that you and your ilke, are just and act in GOD’S NAME… You have stricken HIS NAME from the rolls… This, you are on record for.

    If there is one legacy that I will never forget from the many many things that I hold you and your FASCIST / GODLESS administration for… It will be that you, as DECIDER, struck GOD from our pledge of our alligiance and from our currency and you replaced this with FEAR AND TERROR.

    There is no, zero, none of any arguement you, or anyone one of your fancy FASCIST lawyers (JUSTICES) or NAZI propogandists (ROVE, ZELICOW)can make to subbordinate an ounce of credibility to make any arguement for the antithesis that… the work you do can be nothing short of doing satans’ work… Who or what else would ever strike GOD “By law” from our schools’ and our currency. Evil may just be upon us…

    I fear nothing, as I embrace this realization and call upon GOD FEARING and LOVING peoples of this great nation to seek the love and power which is GOD ALMIGHTY, to bring us justice… IN HIS NAME.

    Amen

    and let’s roll…

  5. Amen, Jack. Amen, my brother. How can we expect God to shower us with his blessings when the leaders of this nation worship some other dark force entirely?

    Dare I say it? Could it be…oooooh, Satan??????

    Yeah, actually. I just said it. This s*&t is Satanic.

    And to answer your other question posted above: “WHERE’S OSAMA?”

    Answer: OSAMA BIN FORGOTTEN!

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  7. Michelle

    Justice Scalia is without a doubt, the absolute BEST Justice in that Supreme Court. The man is for this country like no other.

    How DARE you write what you do and call him the names you have, you son of a bitch communist.

    Go to hell!

  8. Michelle

    Nice moderation of comments you fascist punk!

    I’ll spend my time on the internet doing NOTHING but exposing hypocritical little jerkoffs such as yourself.

    You’re nothing but a filthy little liar communist. If I find you in my country, I’d spit on you and have you arrested and deported. F-OFF jackass!

  9. chrisy58

    Michelle,

    you spend your time on the internet fighting Liberals and I spend my time on the internet fighting White Nationalists and people like you. You post is an example of the way your side hates anyone who has a different opinion then you do.

    Tell me Michelle, who is the real idiot? you who uses language no lady would ever use or the person who posted his honest thoughts about his feelings of what is going on in this country the last 8 years.
    I say the real idiot is you.

    I am sure that you will come back at me like most White Nationalists and Neo Cons do and say I am mentally ill, or make up some other lie about me because I don’t believe that the way the Republicans have ran this country has been for the best interest of America. I actually think they are criminals and should be arrested for war crimes. I have an open mind and I don’t buy the Right Wing Republican line of Bush is doing this to keep us safe. My mother uses that line on me. You and my mother would get along great, except she wouldn’t like your use of swear words. She just told me the other day that Bush is what has kept us safe and now that Bush isn’t in office anymore there will be another attack because Bush’s methods kept us safe. I wanted to throw up.

    Karl Rove is another one who I think needs to be arrested along with the Vice President. I could actually go on and name the former AG who brought shame to the office and make Justice a thing of the past in this nation. I know people like you and my mother don’t want to know or hear the truth. I have tried to educate her, but she refuses to listen to anything that Fox or Bill O’Reilly has labeled as far left and evil. I know she doesn’t have an open mind, and like her you don’t either. How sad.

    I am sure you will come back with the you are stupid comment. I hear that all the time from the White Nationalists and Right Wing conservatives too. I get the I HATE YOU alot too. And when they are really mad at me for exposing their hate and lies I get I hope you Die or I want you to Die. As I have told them maybe someday they will get there wish. I am not scared of them or anyone of you on the right wing who hates me.

    The really funny thing is the White Nationalists and Right Wing Neo Cons like you who accuse the Liberals of hate; are the ones who have the real hatred in your hearts; are the ones who say the most nasty things to people who do not agree 100% with your views. So I ask who are the real haters? Who are the people who have the real hate in their hearts?

    For so many years I have been forced to listen to your hate, but thanks to the internet and high speed I am finding other media sources that I find to be more truthful and is opening up a whole new world to me. Now, I am trying to expose the lies of your side so that others have a chance to find the truth so they can educate themselves and not be stuck in the land of hate and ignorance.

    So while you continue to fight people like me who have a different vision of America than you do and want to improve my mind and educate myself so I can make a difference for good in the world; I will continue to fight White Nationalists and Neo Con Republicans like you who live in your world of hate.

  10. Thank you, Chrisy!

    Somebody had to say it — glad it was you.

    Very eloquently put, as always.

  11. michael seratt

    i want to make a comment about the recent disagreement between chrisy and michelle. we must find a way to work together. i suggest that both of you watch the movie “z” directed by costa gavras,1969. in that movie the prosecutor general sugessted a compromise between left an d right. let me know your reaction.

  12. chrisy58

    Dear Michael,

    I am always willing and will always continue to seek be able to work together with anyone. The reason I spoke up is becauae of the the vile hate in Michelle’s comment. Someone has to be willing to stand up to the people who hate others and who label anyone who doesn’t agree with them as mentally ill, a commie, a traitor, or any other lie they choose to use.

    I am a very honest, passionate and compassionate woman. When I feel that White Nationalists and neo con Republicans are right I will say so. When I feel they are being accused wrongly, I defend them. That is more fairness than how I and many others who are trying to support our next President have seen from the far right in this country.

    I am all for working together for the greater good of mankind and the world, but I think it is a mistake to compromise truth, justice and honor for the sake of just getting along. One of the problems of the past 8 years is that people who should have spoken up and demanded the truth be told, that justice be done, and fair treatment of prisoners be done have remained silent and allowed the Constitution of America to be torn up. To me those who remain silent about the crimes are just as guilty as the criminals who committed them. There must be a time when we have the courage to stand up and speak the truth even when it means we may be punished for it. The truth is not always easy to hear and to accept, but we must be willing to hear and listen to the truth and be willing to fight the wrong in our world.

    We also must have the courage and strength to admit we were wrong. I personally don’t see where I said anything so hurtful or hateful to Michelle. If I said anything out of line than I will say I am sorry, but I honestly can’t see where I have said anything near as nasty toward her and was directed at someone whose writings I have come to respect for his honesty.

    Have a good day.

    Chrisy

  13. “Michelle”: “You’re nothing but a filthy little liar communist. If I find you in my country, I’d spit on you and have you arrested and deported. F-OFF jackass!”…

    What country are you from “Michelle”?

    Nice Michelle.. Sounds like someone is amping a little too much from their Prozac-Ritlin-Depakote-Vodka cocktail today.

    Sorry to see that you’re so full of ‘Joe the plumberisms’ that you couldn’t see a forest if you were in the middle of it.

    If you think you’re entitled to spit on anyone missy, you are misguided. If you think that this is “your” country that’s great too (Missy) Pop quiz though (missy) It’s ours… Have us arrested though… You are a derranged sort of ‘product’ from this administration (Ironically similar to Nazi and Fascism though), which actually thinks that YOU are ENTITLED or AUTHORIZED to arrest, taze, deport, forbid from useage of OUR first amendment and justify invasion of privacy and of course TORTURE, to satisy your insatiable need for continuing witch hunts (missy), to flush out undesireable AMERICANS (Hitler did the same to Jews ironically)… They were the one’s he aimed his hate at.. They were the one’s who wer spit on first before they were cremated, for ruining the partylike environment of Hitler’s “Homeland”… All this now because you drank some koolaid which bought from ‘Bill-o-the clown’ and really, you don’t have a clue as to what our history and/or Western Civilization in general teaches from only a reletively short time ago… in a land far away. Just before modern man first became civilized (missy) enough to rise up and create real Democracy amid tyranny from the Crown… That which WE KNOW as what real patriots did to create OUR country (Missy)… You’d need to spit on them at the same time you spit on US and have US arrested or deported (missy).

    Retrospectively … the “Party Line that you “promote”, actually has no boundaries for allowing more and more “Undesirables” to fill the bill for the qualifications of what is or what will not be acceptable in “YOUR MINDS” for being a good American… Wow. Either you are a NWO- CIA “Plant” or you are un-educated (at best). BTW what are you doing reading the opinions here? and why the lead off of your being here for the first time with such big guns?! This is a patriotic dialog being held here with many people who discourse with one another frequently on topics that really matter and with respect to and for each other’s opinion in a civilized and respectful manner.. Something you don’t get from the AOL Blog’s you just came from…

    What I really needed to tell you Missy, is that your comment sucks actually. It is un-intelligent un-informed, is in bad taste, is personally revolting, speaks to nothing factually and says actually more about you than anything you might have tried to accomplish by your sour stomach’s–regurgitated–bile-like verbal venom actually…

    Ahhh.. now that you tasted some of your own Venti–espresso–chai–decaf–latte with lemon rind twist, splenda on foam and sippy lid!…

    But wait!… there’s more!

    I am all for civilized dialog and visiting opposing view points. I am a contributing editor as well as two others here on this blog.. Because I believe there is hope for our country in re-programming the “idiot elite” (I.E. the Joe the Plumber’s $8.00/hour helper’s)… I would extend you the opportunity to first appologize for your vile comments and then to ask you to hold an opposing viewpoint on any subject you wish actually. I personally will be glad to hold civilized discourse with you as a result and maybe we can both accomplish something like a meeting of the minds and maybe one of us will learn something. You’d really like learning something… Anything actually, it’s great to actually use your mind.. instead of having the mind you think you own, being used to push an agenda that has REALLY not got your best interests in mind. (PWNN’D SOUND FAMILIAR?) You are being OWNED, PLAYED (missy) and not by me, here, now… Except that I feel compelled to at least give back to you what you think you left on OUR floor here when you last visited.

    Firstly, I will discuss with New Frontier and Tiger to ban your ass from this blog. You’ll probably never respond though, because you are either A COWARD, Mosaad, CIA, Some other Gov’t black op’s cubicle hack.. Or worse you really are as dumb as you come across (What I call ‘The Real Thing’)and you actually believe the shit you spout. If the latter is the case and you cannot back up your vile rantful, factually devoid neo-con terroristic (fascist)Rovian attacks with civilized dialog, I doubt you’ll last one round in an open dialog and thus you won’t be back.

    Should you read this to see if you got a rise out of anyone only… let me tell you this (Missy)..

    We see people like you a mile away. It’s terrifying too when we do. It’s seeing the mindless detachment of self-pride being replaced with personal entitlement from those like-minded to you, that give birth to wasteful spending “habits” (entitlement), accruing debt beyond your capablilities to even think about responsibly to ever paying it all back (taking two-three mortgages)on what you already owe, dumping fast food containers out moving windows of your S.U.V’s, driving like it’s your road always and using terms in public speak like ‘nigger and spic’ and ‘liberals’ and oh yeah Communists? Missy, the only Communists left in the world are in Cuba and China and actually thinking that you are entitled to say and believe that saying these things are just and good (cause you’re a REAL AMERICAN?)… You probably only have completed the minimum in education and at the secondary level, yet you give public comments on politics that really either show your age or your I.Q. (whichever is lower) all too freely (entitled?). Lastly that you vote… and that there is a party (sadly) that mimics your sentiments of your myopic mocus, luke warm–soup–toast daily entitled life, that I just described (to a tee)… and OUR country is made up of at least 30-40% just like you…

    Missy, you are in OUR COUNTRY and if you spit on us we’ll have YOU arrested at least for now while we still have a Constitution and a rule of civilized law left . Don’t frett though Missy, If real American Patriots (like us here and those whom you would spit on) don’t keep OUR VIGIL… You will soon have the NAZI/FASCIST REGIME you crave so badly and WE will all share the same cell.. because that kind of ideology can never empower those of the opinions you espouse so freely… Without internal strife and chaos… there’s only room for a handful of real haters in that club and I doubt you have enough of what it takes to be in their club (Missy). Read Mein Kampf and come back to us with the same tone afterwards…

    You are blind and we are not your enemies… you just don’t know any better sadly. WE have little time left to treat the “un-informed” with kid gloves anymore… So Apologize and maybe you’ll learn something here or get the hell out and stay out (Missy).

  14. My, my, my…so much sudden interest and debate over an article RFK Jr. published more than 6 months ago is certainly a head-scratcher. I wonder what posessed Michelle to show up here out of the blue and start a war on this blog? Hm. Curious timing, that…

    When Tiger asked me if he should approve Michelle’s inflammatory comments (it is usually our policy not to let personal attacks slip thru the net), I took a peek at them myself and gave Tiger the go-ahead to post 2 of her 3 comments. One had to be killed because it was just *too* mugly, off-topic, and below-the-belt; I let the other two stand because, despite her noxious choice of words, she expressed a viewpoint on this issue that was challenging and on-topic.

    Call me a sucker for Roman gladatorial diversions, but I just *love* to watch a good scrap! Popcorn, anyone?

    So I threw poor Michelle to the lions, knowing she’d get some teeth in her ass. But in actual fact, she threw herself to the lions by coming to a pro-Kennedy blog in the first place and doing a drive-by. Calling the son of RFK (a rabid commie-hunter from waaaay back) a communist? Ya gotta be frickin’ kidding me, right?

    Spewing nonsense like that, Michelle should expect no less than a spirited response from the congregation — and boy howdy, did she get it!

    But seriously…to be fair…Michelle, if you should be in need of some neosporin and band-aids (or perhaps an ice pack?) for your pockmarked posterior, I’ve got a first-aid kit here for you as a peace offering. Simply provide me your mailing address (Langley, VA?), and I’ll shoot it out to ya in tomorrow’s mail…

    Chrisy, I don’t think you should worry about your response to Michelle’s comment being the most vituperous…Jack Mosel’s just won that award.:)

    Oh, and Jack? Three words:

    BEST. RANT. EVER!!!!!!!!!

    (Somewhere up in heaven, my old friend Bill Hicks is laughing his ass off!)

  15. michael seratt

    dear chrisy, thank you for answering my comment. i can tell that you feel the way i do about the kennedy legacyand about social justice and human rights in general. i hope to meet you someday soon. in nov.,2006 rfkjr. posed with me for a picture which i recently sent to this wbsite, but it was too large to add to the photos. if you are not already a member of the r.f.k. foundation i hope you will join. the website is rfkmemorial.org.

  16. chrisy58

    Yes, mine was tame compared to Jack’s. lol.

    I have a temper and she got my fire up, lol.

  17. chrisy58

    I have a question. Michelle’s post was an example of how badly we need to wake up the American people to the truth.

    How do we educate someone who like my mom refuses to listen to any source of news and information that Fox, Bill O’Reilly, talk radio, David Duke, Stormfront labels as Fair Left, Communist, and evil? My mother refuses to watch MSNBC and hates the fact that I like to watch it as she thinks it is the communist channel. She barely will watch CNN as she too thinks that is the far left channel. She only will watch Fox News. She has been programmed so good and brainwashed so good that she truly believes what she has been taught to believe.

    I had an open mind which I think saved me, but how do we help people like Michelle and my mom to accept they have been lied to? How do we bring them to the point that they will listen, watch and read another point of view than the Right Wing?

    Time is running out. We have major problems facing this planet. Climate Change is a major problem and yet so many Americans have been brainwashed to believe it is a hoax. I know education is the answer, but how do we bring the people to the point that they will be open to even listen to the message from a source they have been brainwashed to see as evil?

    What tools should we be starting to use to bring the people to the point that their eyes can start to open to the truth?

    Michelle, I hope you will post again and maybe we can have a real discussion about this topic? What will it take Michelle for someone like you to take the blinders off, the ear plugs out of your ears, and open your mind to the reality of things?

    I am passionate and maybe you are too. So we might both be passionate in our debate, but that is ok. I am a strong woman and I can take whatever you Right Wing, White Nationalists dish out. Besides fire can be a good thing in a woman, lol.

    I know you might even deny your a White Nationalist, but as I have pointed out to people on the Right on another forum where I debate people like you, that you sound just like White Nationalists with your hatred you spew towards others who are different and if you hear quack, quack one knows it is coming from a duck. You may try and hide your hate behind a mask to fool people to think you are patriotic Americans, but it doesn’t change the message of hate that spews out of your mouths.

    I also have to wonder Michelle, why now would you post your vile comments. They were vile, but the hardest thing for me to accept is that they come from a woman. I was raised that real women don’t swear. I am old fashion that way.

    May I ask you what is your vision for America? I am just curious to see if it is like other White Nationalists that I am fighting. Yes, while you are fighting people like me, I truly am fighting people like you. I want to snatch as many women and children out of that pit of hell as I can.

    Anyway, I think you are wrong and I stand by everything I wrote, even though I have typo’s. I wish there was an edit button so that after we post our comment and if we made typo’s that we could go and correct them.

  18. chrisy58

    Dear Michael,

    Thank you for your comment.

    Yes, I feel very strongly about things, sometimes to deep, but if one doesn’t have strong passion about things than I think they are missing out. It is only when we feel very strongly about something that we keep on fighting for what we believe in, even when the dream seems dead. It is that passion that keep us fighting and believing that someday the truth will overcome lies, that justice will be done, and that with hard work we can make our dreams come true.

    Love must overcome hate!!! Hate destroys while love builds up.

    We are facing major battles ahead of us in the days ahead. The question is that can we as Progressives educate the American people to the truth and get them on board to do the right things and the tough things that must be done? How do we bring people who have been deceived to believe the lie of the Right Wing to even open their mind to listen to sources that have been sold to them as communist and evil? If they are not even willing to hear the other side how do we educate and inform them?

    I have a journal blog where on that blog I battle White Nationalists and the Right Wing like Michelle. I take posts from their own words and expose their hate and lies to all the world.

    I posted a post yesterday from Stormfront where the person says that we anti’s should just give up. I commented on it. Do you know what one of my dreams is that I am looking at ways to turn it into a reality? I would love to see a real debate between David Duke and a Progressive who would NOT do a Alan Combs and let David Duke hijack the show and make the Progressive side look weak. I would love to see a real debate man to man, no dirty tricks played on either side, but let them debate. We could have someone who makes sure that neither side tries to avoid the other man’s question. I would love to see David Duke exposed as the fraud he is.

    I know that must sound terrible, but someone has to be willing to fight White Nationalism and he is one of the top leaders and is very dangerous. Some people just want to write him off, but if we are smart we won’t just write him off, because he has some power and he has traveled and spoken to heads of states in Iran and Syria. He has very close ties to Russia, and I for one do not think he has the best interests of America at heart, but he only cares about what is best for David Duke.

    Do you know why it is so important to me that a Progressive have a real debate with David Duke? Because I am trying to snatch women and children out of the pit of hell that is White Nationalism. His followers believe that David Duke is this hero who we Progressive are afraid of and therefore won’t give him a chance to speak his message. They think that we are weak and are afraid of the all powerful and wonderful David Duke in their eyes. They see him not as he really is but as a White Civil Rights leader. If we can have a real debate with someone who is smart, strong, and could show David Duke as he really is than maybe more people could be snatched away and than staring using their knowledge to fight against the evil of hate. David Duke is very smart and sly. It is going to take a Progressive man who is just as mart and sly who is willing to fight. I say man because White Nationalists really don’t respect women, and it would be better if the fight was man on man.

    I am hoping the Michelle comes back as it might be interesting to debate her woman to woman.

    Anyway, I will let you know what happens on the debate idea. I am still thinking of who might be strong enough not to let David Duke walk all over him like Alan Combs did.

  19. Less than 24 hours in office… FOIA “Revised” by Presidential decree to alter the interpretation of freely giving information and no longer to withold information. Lobbyists get strict accord rules and access’ restrained… Looks like we just might be able to fight out of this mess with both hands untied for a change!!!

    One day in office… WOW

    Brace for impact for the watershed of whistle blowers… Bring ’em on!

    BTW Chrissy, You kill ’em with kindness… I’ll use the sledge-hammer… Pray for both of us please!

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